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Nathanial Victor
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Posted - 2008.06.27 15:59:00 -
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Whats up with that? If they loot the can i can pwn them. If they salvage it i can't.
Is there some programing reason this isn't the same and its really hard to fix? (i'd find that hard to believe). Is it intentional?
If you think about it, ppl that nija salavge in high sec are getting reward with 0 risk... especially if they are a member of newb corp (as you cant declare war on them).
Anyone want to clear this up for me? Am i missing something? "one more spam thread will get you a warning. - Thanks Hutch. " isn't a warning of a warning a warning? or just a warning of a warning? didnt he just get 'the warning'?
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Nathanial Victor
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.06.27 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: Haakelen Because CCP says salvage is not property, only things in cans are.
oh wow. so i'm guessing they ran into some weird bug trying to get the flag applied when programming salvaging. Instead of making it work like it should they decided to make it a 'feature' and declare the wreck 'public domain'.
that has to be the silliest, most rediculous thing i've ever heard ccp.
CCP, did you hire a bunch of green behind the ears trial lawyers on board as game developers?? Sounds like instead of fixing an issue you gave up and made up some BS (wouldn't be the 1st time and probably wont be the last). "one more spam thread will get you a warning. - Thanks Hutch. " isn't a warning of a warning a warning? or just a warning of a warning? didnt he just get 'the warning'?
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Nathanial Victor
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.06.27 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Starbreaker If you owned the salvage just like you own the wreck contents, then what would be the practical difference between loot and salvage? They have different rules so that gameplay is more complex. Otherwise salvage would just be an extra "bonus mission reward" and there's no reason to even have it in the game.
So finding a 'practical difference' is more important than maintaining some trace of risk vs reward in ppl that continue to exploit the invulnerability of newb corps? "one more spam thread will get you a warning. - Thanks Hutch. " isn't a warning of a warning a warning? or just a warning of a warning? didnt he just get 'the warning'?
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Nathanial Victor
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.06.27 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrantus Your a n00b to trolling Nathaniel. You should have saved the 'omg CCP are a bunch of losers and can't progran a c-64 game' post for much later in the thread.
Originally by: Cpt Hound
Awww. Look people, there is someone with no clue what so ever.
So i'm going to guess the 1st one has a ninja salvage alt and the 2nd actually is one. Hey! Maybe the same person?
Quit changing the subject to me. I doubt it was actually a programming issue but there is 2 possiblities, its an intended mechanic or a unexpected 'feature'
Isn't risk vs reward kinda the foundation of our economy in this game? Oh right, i dont have a clue "one more spam thread will get you a warning. - Thanks Hutch. " isn't a warning of a warning a warning? or just a warning of a warning? didnt he just get 'the warning'?
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Nathanial Victor
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.06.27 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: Zed'Nar Edited by: Zed''Nar on 27/06/2008 16:22:18 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=508034&page=9#262
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Posted - 2008.02.05 20:11:00 - [262]
This is an intended game mechanic and is in no way an exploit. People salvaging your missions npcs or the player you just blew up are doing nothing wrong. The players are salvaging what is effectively floating rubbish in space and Concord places no value on this wreckage.
Eve is a harsh place you won't always have everything go your way, its a do or die world and people do what they can to get along. If salvaging some wreckage gets them a few more ISK someone will do it, it doesn't matter who just blew it up.
- GM Faolchu
interesting. thanks for the link. for the record i did miss all this back when everyone else was talking about it (obviously)
still seems pretty debatable. Looking at the above quote it seems the root of the issue is that, for some ppl, eve ISN'T a harsh place (see also; the character that cropped my post up to say high sec mission runners have no risk vs reward). I'd have to say thats a fairly valid point, but off topic (and there is the shread of a chance you loose your connection while some npc frig has you scrambled).
"Eve is a harsh place you won't always have everything go your way, its a do or die world and people do what they can to get along. If salvaging some wreckage gets them a few more ISK someone will do it, it doesn't matter who just blew it up."
Yeah, if looting someones wreck also makes them money they will do that too! (and good for them). Doesn't mean you shouldn't be able to shoot them. Its what makes eve EvE "one more spam thread will get you a warning. - Thanks Hutch. " isn't a warning of a warning a warning? or just a warning of a warning? didnt he just get 'the warning'?
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Nathanial Victor
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.06.27 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrantus LRN2TROLL.
dude, discuss the topic or stfu. the only troll i see here is you "one more spam thread will get you a warning. - Thanks Hutch. " isn't a warning of a warning a warning? or just a warning of a warning? didnt he just get 'the warning'?
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Nathanial Victor
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.06.27 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: Karentaki Please, cry some more. Your tears are so juicy and delicious. The only '0 risk ISK' I see here is mission running. the pirates who salvage wrecks have infinitely more balls than you could ever hope for, and to be honest, if all you do is run missions, why not just go and play a single player game. Then you don't have to deal with all these 'people' and stuff reducing your pixel profit margins. In fact, I have a wonderful game for you to play that would probably be more in line with your playing style: HERE.
wow, your pretty out there.
1- how does a salvager in an npc corp have 'infinitely more balls than you could ever hope for'
2- your right, its an mmo and shouldn't be played as a single player game. isk farmers suck etc etc... this doesn't mean there aren't ppl out there that run missions to get some pvp isk
seems like your dodging the issue entirely. though mission running is about as low risk as it SHOULD get, you can atleast get your ship blown up if your stupid.
tell me how an npc salvager has MORE risk? "one more spam thread will get you a warning. - Thanks Hutch. " isn't a warning of a warning a warning? or just a warning of a warning? didnt he just get 'the warning'?
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Nathanial Victor
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.06.27 18:30:00 -
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anyone in my thread using the words 'real life' and anyone using a dictionary, please exit stage left "one more spam thread will get you a warning. - Thanks Hutch. " isn't a warning of a warning a warning? or just a warning of a warning? didnt he just get 'the warning'?
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Nathanial Victor
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.06.27 21:05:00 -
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again, getting pretty off topic about presuming its better a mission runner wouldn't want kill right, discussing the flaws of ppls setups if they even HAD the kill right, blah blah...
how does this sound? salvager touches my wreck, i get kill rights, i target. one of 2 things then happens, he dies or he runs off, either way i have accomplished my goal, salvager is not stealing my stuff.
if he wants to show up for a fight over salvaging, let him. viola, we suddenly have some trace of a risk vs a reward.
Originally by: Quelque Chose The Great Whine Cycle:
what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. "one more spam thread will get you a warning. - Thanks Hutch. " isn't a warning of a warning a warning? or just a warning of a warning? didnt he just get 'the warning'?
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Nathanial Victor
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.06.27 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: Xaen
And TBH, I would enjoy the pvp encounters resulting from aggro rights from salvage****gotry more than I would care about protecting my salvage.
yes. anything that promotes combat in eve is good anything that promotes a free ride in eve is bad.
as for the above, engaging in mission ships. that a pilots call at the time whether to bug out and get a pvp ship or not. either way its silly to try and break it down to 'what ifs' and scenarios. makes as much sense as 'what if 1v1' thread.
its the principle of the matter, that i think we can agree on "one more spam thread will get you a warning. - Thanks Hutch. " isn't a warning of a warning a warning? or just a warning of a warning? didnt he just get 'the warning'?
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Nathanial Victor
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.06.29 21:54:00 -
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so, just to make sure i've got all this:
-the wreck and salvage isn't the mission runners, but the loot and can is (this logic is so bright i need sunglasses)
-the salvagers are cleaning stuff no one wants (well except them amirite?)
-mission runners have no risk at all so they need to stfu (lets ignore that they can die. Risk is minimal but it is there. A full agro spawn and get scrammed OR actually engage someone that loots their can, and with some logic also salvaging their wreck).
-all mission runners do nothing but run missions, dont really play eve, cant possibly use missions as a source of income AND pvp. thusly they need to STFU
-blame mission runners for being in high sec to begin with.
-probes are expensive.
-missions are the issue. they are LESS risk than salvaging in high sec w/ an npc alt (well thats a lie, but hey whatever)
-CCP made a mistake allowing us to get aggro on cans, they have only corrected that error with wrecks (though they left the policy w/ cans? yeah, thats a tall one too)
-its almost impossible to die missioning. so we will squint our eyes and just say 'little risk' is 'no risk' and conclude its 'less risk' than salvaging and actually worse than salvaging for the game.
-Firefly is an awsome show
-go to 0.0 and stop talking about high sec policies.
-salvaging is a profession. (somehow this ='s what we are talking about) ie: titan pilots are a profession == remote DD is not overpowered. (keep those sunglasses on, the bright minds are out today)
- we are lucky we can get aggro rights on cans. we should leave it at that
-the problem is aggro rights are there to satisfy carebears (couldn't possibly be there to promote combat?), the last part of this logic ended up that all eve should be 0.0. tl;dr
-we shouldn't have aggro rights, but theere should be a "concord sanctioned salvage dispute... both players will be aggressed on the other" (hrm, we could just have kill rights and this happens when one engages the other.
-salvaging doesn't make any isk compared to the rest of the mission, STFU
-lulz about mission runneres whining
lots of ppl suggesting this is a failthread. i'd have to say looking at some of these responses I agree.
outside of the ad hominem and the down right rediculous it sounds like ccp either needs to drop aggro rights on cans all together, or make cans and wrecks work the same. or we need to make everywhere 0.0, or HAVE high sec but make no one live there.
"one more spam thread will get you a warning. - Thanks Hutch. " isn't a warning of a warning a warning? or just a warning of a warning? didnt he just get 'the warning'?
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Nathanial Victor
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.06.30 17:41:00 -
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Edited by: Nathanial Victor on 30/06/2008 17:43:05
Originally by: Eternal Error You don't want salvage to flag, then it will become like can flipping, and then more people will do it to try and get easy kills. Then you will come and whine to the forum that people are stealing your salvage and you either died or won't do anything about it.
Originally by: Guillame Herschel
Originally by: Nathanial Victor If they loot a can i can pwn them.
Bet you can't. And even if you can, I bet you can't pwn the ship they bring next, with their friends. Oh, but then you'll log off.
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If you think about it, ppl that nija salavge in high sec are getting reward with 0 risk... especially if they are a member of newb corp (as you cant declare war on them).
Hisec mission runner talking about risk vs reward == Lulz in ya face.
hey, how about less lip and more launch? ad hominem, i was talking about it before, its attacking a person or sterotype (or anything really) outside of the actual TOPIC AT HAND you cant discuss the issue so you just resort to personal attacks?
carebear/newb? i'm whining that i cant kill some npc alt and you say "well if it were 'fixed' you would die and come cry here..."
i dont want to be 'that guy' but at this point i have to say it: my orig char is older than your face and has pvp'd more hours than most your characters have been alive.
tell you what. let me and anyone else (carebear, alt, newb WHATEVER) decide if i want to shoot or not. let me get pwned in the face if i fk it up and get gang rapd. THAT IS WHAT EVE IS SUPPOSED TO BE!! can flipping and ppl fighting and bodies flying? GOOD , moar combat! but for some reason so many of you think thats a bad idea, for reasons you have yet to state.
wah wah mission runners? too safe in high sec? put your money where your mouth is and argue/post to MAKE the environment what it should be, ABLE to have hostilities!!
All you ladies want to moan and groan and dodge the topic. 1/2 of you just pulling stuff out of your arses (welcome to forums, i know) and some of you like that your alts can salvage with no risk. then you want to push the blame on the very mission runners that make your income possible
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Nathanial Victor
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.06.30 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: Gatu
I believe this is what low/null sec is for. If you prefer the high sec rule set, you'll need to suffer through some of its less desireable aspects.
thats not really accurate. if one thing makes eve great, is even where its 'safe', its not really. That is the meat & potatoes of the arguement, NOTHING should be completely safe.
Despite what ppl want to suggest here, at least a mission runner has some chance (whether caused by a disconnect, or being stupid) of having his mission boat killed. The salvager cleaning really doesn't (especially if he is an npc corp). |
Nathanial Victor
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.07.06 15:52:00 -
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mine is way cooler "one more spam thread will get you a warning. - Thanks Hutch. " isn't a warning of a warning a warning? or just a warning of a warning? didnt he just get 'the warning'?
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Nathanial Victor
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.07.11 22:44:00 -
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jesus christ its like listening to 2 kids argue in the back seat!
you just want to turn around and smack em both regardless of who is right or wrong. "one more spam thread will get you a warning. - Thanks Hutch. " isn't a warning of a warning a warning? or just a warning of a warning? didnt he just get 'the warning'?
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